I was recently involved in a back and forth discussion of whether or not Christ existed before His birth? This is from people whom I consider part of the body of Christ and yet they have somehow taken a vastly different viewpoint from what I learned from the scriptures.
So I just wanted to answer the question from my own understanding of the word God on this subject.
I thought you might find it interesting as well.
Here are the scriptures and my thoughts on their, to me, plain meaning.
(Gen 1:26 KJV) And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
The word “God” is translated from the Hebrew word “Elohiym” which is the plural form of Eloaah which refers to God or diety.
So who is included in the “us and our” reference? Those two words are not present in the Hebrew but are implied by the plural nature of the word Elohiym.
So who else was with God here?
(Joh 1:1 KJV) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
The “Word” here is translated from the Greek word “Logos” which in this usage should be thought of as speaker or spokesman of God. Later in this chapter, we see that this “Word or Logos” was made flesh and dwelt among us;
(Joh 1:14 KJV) And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
What do the scriptures say about Jesus?
(Mat 1:23 KJV) Behold, a virgin shall be with child and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.
(Isa 7:14 ESV) Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign. Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.
The Hebrew Immanuel means simply God with us.
But what other instances are there indicating Christ’s pre-existence with God the Father?
(Col 1:16 KJV) For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: (speaking of Jesus Christ)
Notice the use of by and for Him. Put together like this shows that He actually was the creator and that all these things were made by and for Him under the direction of the Sovereign God(God the Father).
That would make the pre-existing Christ the Creator God of the Old Testament. Which would then make the following scripture clearer;
(Joh 5:37 KJV) And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.
But we know that the Creator God was seen and heard in the Old Testament.
What does Christ say of Himself?
(Joh 8:58 KJV) Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
Eph 3:9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:
So when we see a passage like below:
(Deu 4:35 KJV) Unto thee it was shewed, that thou mightest know that the LORD he is God; there is none else beside him.
We can understand it more clearly by simply looking at the underlying Hebrew words for LORD and God.
The LORD is translated from the word “yehovah” the eternal or the Jewish national name for God. This is the God they knew, the creator God who made Himself available to them. They knew the God being who later became Christ but they did not interact with the God being who became God the Father at the birth of Christ.
While the word God comes from the word Elohiym the plural word used for God. Perhaps the best way to explain it is the God family. The word Elohiym can be used in that way a singular group with many members at this time only two. The Sovereign God and at that time His Spokesman, the Logos.
Looking at these scriptures as they stand it is a simple matter to understand the truth of what is being said.
That being said in today’s environment people are twisting these plain simple scriptural statements and making them say something entirely different. I am very saddened by what I see. This is the simplicity which is Christ Jesus.
2Co_1:12 For our rejoicing is this, the testimony of our conscience, that in simplicity and godly sincerity, not with fleshly wisdom, but by the grace of God, we have had our conversation in the world, and more abundantly to you-ward.
Understanding the word of God should be a simple thing if we have God’s Holy Spirit residing in us. It should not require the fleshly wisdom of the world to understand.
2Co_11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
Brethren our minds can be corrupted from the simplicity of Christ is we allow it to happen.
Pray always for Clarity brethren.